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John Pryor and Brother Charles Pryor of New Orleans (about 1844)

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Marriage Affidavit of Bridget Fox and John Pryor in New Orleans (click to enlarge)

I came across the 1844 probate file for John Pryor of New Orleans on FamilySearch.org. Philip Canterbury assisted Bridget Fox Pryor (sometimes spelled in documents “Prior”) in filing a petition in the Probate court. There’s a note at the bottom of the petition: “as brother of the deceased I have no objection to the above prayer (signed) Charles Pryor.”

The marriage document was signed by the rector of St. Antony’s Chapel, documenting that John Pryor and Bridget Fox married on 4th October 1843.  Anne Bryne, a  mid-wife, attested that she delivered a son to Bridget Fox Pryor on the 23rd or 24th of August 1844. The baby was large and Bridget had a long labor, and the baby died soon after birth. Another document from Father Flanagan at St. Patrick’s church stated their record was that the baby was buried on 25th of August 1844 in the church cemetery.

The estate wasn’t settled until 24 February 1848 when it was concluded by judgment.

On the 1850 Census Bridget Prior was still in New Orleans and counted in the household of Philip Canterbury:

Dist. 3, page 242b, house 1751 Philip Canterbury 52 soda manufacturing MA, Bridget Prior 34 Ireland

So were John PRYOR and Charles PRYOR from Ireland?

Dutch Treat: Website Based in the Netherlands Has Pryor Names

Here’s a website that’s fun to explore for Pryors. Check out this Netherland genealogy site at https://www.genealogieonline.nl. Don’t worry, you don’t need to know too much Dutch to navigate the site. The search field is at the top of the page labeled “zoeken”.  The results are pretty sparse, mostly birth (“geboren”) and death (“overleden”) dates, however these may be helpful for your research out of the US or American colonies. Feeling unadventurous? Then click the little American/British flag at the top of the site and it will display the results in English. I found several of my non-Pryor kin in the site, giving me some new tips to explore.

Ancestry DNA — More Frustrating Than Useful?

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I actually got some interesting results through the test, however the whole structure of the website and how others use it is very frustrating.  How do I dislike Ancestry DNA let me count the ways.

  1. Private Players. These are the people who take the test and then put a lock on their family tree. This means they get the full view of my public tree, reap all the benefit of my research and my membership in Ancestry, but I can’t see how we are related through tree. Yes, I know I can message them and get access to their tree—do you know how few respond?!
  2. Stragglers (Just Along For the Ride). These are the people who are testing but post no tree at all. I first suspected that people were taking the test to prove paternity (al la Maury Povich Show!)—that was until I learned a paternity test kit was cheaper. Maybe these folks are helping out a relative to see if they match. Could be they got a Groupon and took the test for a hoot. More likely they are working on a family tree at home and just gleaning information from my test results and my PAID subscription to Ancestry.
  3. Extensive Review Time.  Ancestry dumps all the Private Players and Stragglers into my search results. I can’t just delete them—I have to open up each one. This took a couple weeks to get through all of the results.
  4.  Stupid Search. How stupid is the Ancestry DNA search function? So stupid… there is NONE! This means that you can’t type in a surname and bring up all the match results for that surname. Ancestry allows you to mark interesting results with a gold star or a note, but to find those interesting results again you have to scroll through pages of marked results and open the notes. Yes, it’s dumb.
  5. Hidden Markers. Ancestry doesn’t actually show you your DNA results or markers. It doesn’t even tell you for sure which ancestor is your match. On some of the matches I’ve seen there were 11 (ELEVEN!) surnames that matched and it’s anyone’s best guess which one is the DNA match or if it’s someone in my tree or the match’s tree we haven’t ID’d yet. Totally a pain in the sit-down region!

The best results have been through tenacious research. I’ve been getting feedback on the Pryor surname from others who have taken the Ancestry DNA test—one researcher who is definitely from the line of the Marion County Pryors  (Matthew Pryor back to Robert Pryor and Virginia Betty Green) has completely different than the test subject I submitted. So that line is not connected to the line of Nicholas Pryor of Henrico County. The jury is still out on Richard Pryor (and Mourning Thompson) line because of some of the issues noted above.

Has anyone else tested with Ancestry and would like to share with me which Pryors they matched to? Rather than leaving a comment on this post, contact me through the TN Pryor website http://www.tnpryors.com/contactus.htm

 

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Internet Genealogy: How to Confirm a Marriage When You Can’t Find a Marriage Record

 

US Census records will only take you so far in tying up the 19th Century relationships in your family tree. In 1880, almost a hundred years after the first US Census, relationships were recorded for the first time. Before 1880 it was guess work to figure out who was related to whom in a household. The 1900 Census introduced the question of how long spouses had been married which helped to determine when they were married.

Confirming a marriage can frustrate a dedicated family historian, the search is compounded by the lack of marriage records due to fires that burned court houses and record offices, and marriages that were only recorded in lost church registries, or performed by traveling preachers who didn’t keep records. Rather than relying on guess work or leaving a blank on a family group sheet I can suggest a trio of sources to confirm a marriage when an official record can’t be found.

Court Records: Court records can be a wealth of information. Lawsuits and wills can identify a spouse and may even mention the spouses’ siblings or other kin that can confirm relationships. These records may contain evidence of prior marriages, or clues the approximate date of a current marriage. My personal favorite of all court records are Divorces-they don’t even have to be your own kin’s divorce! I’ve had success finding affidavits in siblings or friends’ divorce records that confirm my own ancestors’ marriage date. Divorces at times occurred in counties different than where the marriage took place, so if marriage records were destroyed a divorce record in another county may still exist.

Civil War Pension Files: If a relative survived his service in the Union Army, the pension file index must be searched. The pension application process, especially when a surviving wife was the applicant, called for confirmation of the veteran’s marriage. The confirmation often took the form of an affidavit form or at times individual affidavits from people who knew the couple. The last pension record I requested contained an affidavit that told the marriage date, where it occurred, who officiated, and a description of an old traditional “shivaree” to welcome the newlyweds.

Google Books: With over ten million books scanned and available online at Google, you’re bound to find an ancestor in one or two of them! A search will turn up numerous genealogy digests and histories. The real treasure is in the biographies that gained in popularity around the mid 1870’s to the beginning of the 20th century. Some of these books were written as the nation became interested its history around the time of the centennial, while others were “vanity” biographies that prominent citizens purchased because their own history was included in the book. The biographies are usually first-hand accounts of the subject’s heritage, thus a reliable source to quote in documenting a family tree.

3 Ways to Contend With Incorrect Family Tree Data Online

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I remember the joy from years ago as new family history data became available online. Being able to search online was a cinch, so much easier than planning vacations around trips to libraries and historical societies. However the joy was dampened whenever I’d stumble upon an online pedigree that was foggy or completely incorrect. Almost ten years ago I became so frustrated with online genealogy errors I started my own surname website (Tennessee Pryors). Starting a website may not be your cup of tea, but there are three things you can do now to address incorrect data online and make a cleaner investigation path for future genealogy buffs.

1. Put up your own data – Many of the top genealogy websites give you the ability to post your own data. The LDS FamilySearch.org website allows visitors (church membership not required) to submit their own family data. Subscription websites like Ancestry.com offers the user the feature of adding multiple family trees, and even posting documents, photos, and other documentation. Genealogy.com also provides space to posting your own genealogy and family tree. Any of the community areas and message board areas of genealogy sites also allows you to post not just queries, but your own data and recent genealogy discoveries.

2. Ask information to be changed– I’ve communicated with other researchers with mixed results. Some are amiable to changing their family tree or posted data when provided with new data backed with good source information. Others are committed to information passed down from relatives, incorrect information from accepted genealogy books or other authorities, or in rare cases they are unable to login and access the data to makes changes.

3. Add comments– My personal favorite is to comment where ever the opportunity is given. The good news is that commenting is allowed in a multitude of places on the web. Ancestry.com understands that users have something to contribute and allows comments: add a comment to a census record, put a note on family tree, and identify name variations and transcription errors. Book reviews on Google Books or Ancestry.com is also a method of attaching your opinion and alternative information.

The Internet is always increasing in opportunities for an interactive genealogy experience. That means whether you’re an expert or a novice you can get involved. It’s time to take advantage of the opportunities to participate and help to increase the accuracy of online genealogy data.

Copyright 2010, Vanessa Wood